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Where the rock went: Pictured: Rock outfit Firing Squad at the home of Joshua Nee, house-show host and member of local heavies Thou and Baby Boy. (Credit: Andrew Pyle)

Where’d the Rock Go?

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By Christie Matherne, Ross Baringer

Posted Feb 2, 2011

As recently as 2006, on any given Wednesday or Thursday night in our city, the live music options were endless.  If you were an LSU student at the time, a simple walk down Chimes St. and a peek around the corner offered a healthy variety: a local, probably new rock group at Northgate Tavern, a poetry slam/performance piece at Café Reggae, or a cover band at the Varsity on Highland. Over on Perkins, the Caterie had live music every night – a good percentage of which was original. Under the Perkins overpass, Chelsea’s was just starting up in their new location, and as long as the band had original music, they were willing to book it. The Spanish Moon and Red Star were pioneering in booking strangely-genre’d locals and touring acts, catering to the alternative audience. Of course, you had your Zydeco and Cajun acts all over the place. The bars catering to cover bands and big names were always around, too, for the types just looking to have a good time and a stiff drink.

Enough nostalgia. Enter 2011.

From the outside, it looks like some of Baton Rouge’s musicians are under-represented nowadays. Northgate Tavern no longer books any original music, much less the heavy rock genre it had become known for. Chelsea’s focuses mostly on funk and jazz. The Caterie burned down, and Café Reggae shut its doors long ago. Sure, everything has to change and evolve. The things that don’t – well, they don’t usually make it. So what happened to rock in roll in the Capital, and is it gone for good?

The case of the missing bands

There’s no shortage of original music venues in Baton Rouge, but most of them have fairly specific criteria for booking material. Here’s an overview:

Red Star Bar, known as the “indie” bar, books certain local music that fits the bar’s demographic. Owner Frank McMains books bands he’s particularly impressed with, and he wants them to know what they’re doing – for good reason:

“New bands are always real excited,” said McMains. “No matter how many times we give the ‘sound talk,’ they want to use their new toys. They turn their amps up to the highest setting and it sounds like sh*t.”

Another solid booking criteria for Red Star is that it fits his demographic.  He’s got lots of loyal regulars, and if they don’t like the band, they’re still going to have to pay the cover charge – and Red Star has only one big room.  Frank made it very clear that he wasn’t willing to put out his regulars if he doesn’t know for a fact that the band’s good.

Other bars, like the Spanish Moon, aren’t just one big room. They have an alternate booking method, however.

“He just kinda goes with the flow,” said Spanish Moon manager, Justin Bourgeois, of the venue’s booking manager, Aaron Scruggs (who could not be reached in time for print). “Whatever’s pulling in crowds at the time. For awhile, we booked a lot of hip-hop, ‘cause it was all over TV on car commercials and stuff.  I think people are pretty sick of emo now. It’s been awhile since I’ve seen a stupid haircut.”

Lately, their full nights fall into two categories: dance/synth rock and DJs. Their DJ nights – Star 80, ‘90s Night, and Real Talk – are all consistent house-packers. As far as booking first-timers, Bourgeois said, “Very, very rarely.” The Spanish Moon doesn’t take risks.

The Varsity lies in the same vein – they book the big names that come through town: DJs, cover bands – and only crowd-tested locals.

The Red Dragon Listening Room is a non-bar, non-profit venue for musicians, but they focus on what booking agent Chris Maxwell calls “songwriters.” Well, technically, that should include all original acts, right?

“I book what I listen to,” Maxwell admitted. “There won’t be any hip-hop or jam bands here, because they don’t suit my tastes, and because of that, I don’t really know anything about them – I wouldn’t know what’s good or bad.” Okay, then.

The placenta of new music

Outside open mic nights, Northgate Tavern served as the go-to venue for bands playing their first shows. Rookies that made it good on the Northgate’s venerable stage-slash-launchpad include reggae ensemble Stellaphonics, doom metal stars Thou, and dance synth-pop group Prom Date.  Co-owner Sam Terito booked everyone, which, coming from a business standpoint, is risky.

“Back then, there were a lot of bands to choose from. I mean, a lot,” he recalled. “We weren’t like Austin or Chapel Hill or anything, but there were enough quality bands to entirely fill a schedule Wednesday through Saturday. Sometimes, we had music six days a week.”

Yet, as with everything that goes good for awhile, something has to start sucking at some point.

“It was solid [for all of 2008], and continued into 2009, but […] beginning with the fall semester, we noticed things starting to drop off.”

Sam blames the drop in crowds on bands’ changing their promotional tactics – namely Facebook.com and Myspace.com.

“Before Myspace especially, you knew you had to get out there and promote your band if you expected to make any money whatsoever,” he said. “You had to physically walk up to people and meet them. Now, it’s the majority of a band’s promotion: they just make a Facebook event and expect a crowd,” he explained in a huff.

“It would infuriate me. I remember thinking, ‘you motherf*ckers can’t even get your girlfriends to come to the show?’”

Northgate now books shows two nights a week: one for a cover band, and one for a DJ.

We cornered Stellaphonics member Phil Zimmerle and made him spill his beans.  He spoke of the Northgate in a tone usually reserved for eulogies.

“I do think Northgate’s changes are gonna hurt bands,” he said. “The loss of a venue in this place is always going to affect things heavily…there’s not enough venues for new bands to play at.”

When Northgate saw the decline begin in ’09, Zimmerle was still playing their stage often, and he saw the crowd numbers dwindling.  Some bands he saw played to all of twelve people.  A few just played to the other bands.

“It seemed like the public knew that they were doing less music at Northgate.  I remember them deciding they were only going to do live music on Thursday and Saturday nights,” Zimmerle recalled.

A self-fulfilling prophecy

Think about the last time you went out and decided against going to a show.  You weigh your options: if the band sucks, you’re out five to ten bucks, and depending on your choice of beverage, that’s at least a drink or two you won’t be buying.  If you decide to avoid covers, is it because you think the odds are high that the band will disappoint?

“The problem with Baton Rouge’s music scene is how much peoples’ belief in it fluctuates,” said Zimmerle. “This is a capital city with some small town tendencies.  People start talking, and it spreads pretty quickly.  If a group of people are going around saying, ‘well, this thing is dead,’ then yeah, before long it is dead.  And not for any real reason.”

But when bar owners start hearing that the local scene is dead, they stop booking local bands. After all, they’ve no time to waste on a scene that doesn’t believe in itself enough to show up. So they book some jam bands or have a few tribute nights, or simply bring in the DJs.  Word circles back to the bands, but really, it’s just the echo of their original statements.

“When enough people get discouraged, they start to just give up,” said Zimmerle.

Close to home

House shows are the DIY-generation’s answer to the problems associated with venues, a Facebook-era phenomenon directly associated with online promotion tactics and independent-minded musicians…the same crowd that found their voice when they felt the first rays of fame on the faces of their Myspace profiles.

Here’s how it works: several bands, usually members of the musical community who either don’t want to be booked at bars or can’t get booked for some reason or another, pack a house on word of mouth and Facebook.  These shows have been happening for many years in Baton Rouge, and have centered around occasional touring metal, punk, and hardcore bands, with plenty of local groups thrown into the mix.  

The situation has its upsides: no middlemen, no bar to keep up, no employees who need to be paid, and of course, they get to book whomsoever their hearts’ desire. The phenomenon is not a direct result of bars not booking these bands – it’s merely the natural option for new bands put out by Northgate Tavern’s changes. Not everyone on a house show bill is a new band (in fact, it’s actually quite the opposite), but they aren’t opposed to booking newbies.

“Certain bands lend themselves to certain spaces. There’s a certain feel to a house show,” said Andy Gibbs. “There’s no stage, so you feel more connected to the audience when you play.”

Gibbs books shows for touring bands wanting to play houses, and he’s also in two heavier bands: Thou and Baby Boy.

However, this spirited culture has its downside. The obvious one: it’s a house, and people live there. So booking even one show every other week gets taxing, annoying, or involves too much to clean up afterwards. Even Gibbs doesn’t offer up his house anymore.

“I live with my girlfriend, you know...and we have a cat, and some nice stuff,” he explained.

This DIY community used to have a number of houses available to alternate hosting shows, but the options are getting slimmer.

“The girls down the street [a place nicknamed ‘Tupac’s Bungalow’] aren’t doing them anymore because they’re moving out,” said Bilal Dottory, whose house is nicknamed the “Sugar Shack.”  He and his two roommates host shows in their living room on Aster Street, but Dottory hinted that they were losing interest.

A Brave New Venue

A short drive down Burbank will take you by the Here Today Gone Tomorrow Thrift Store – easily the biggest store of its kind in the city. Unbeknowst to many, however, there’s a room off to the right in the U-shaped complex that gets packed several times a week for live music.

What kind, you ask? Every kind. Local, not local, acoustic, punk, metal, blues, and everything in between. With a space that feels like a living room, but big enough to support a concession counter and quite a few people, HTGT has potential to be a kind of savior to the local music scene.  

“I feel, personally, that we are on the tip of a major rebirth of the local arts and entertainment scene,” said Jason Kiefer, the man running the show over at HTGT since they started booking performances back in 2008. “The DIY scene is huge and blankets the whole area. We’re the only business structure that has recognized this.”

Andy Gibbs predicted that the thrift shop venue would likely encounter many of the same obstacles that have haunted others.

“I’m concerned that they’re overbooking,” Gibbs commented. “They can’t pack the place all nights in a week, or even seven times a month.  No one cares that much.”

He rattled off the short list of all-ages venues that have failed in the past, including the Darkroom on Florida Blvd.

“You can’t make money off all-ages shows,” he said.

He also mentioned that he thinks overbooking was a major factor in Northgate Tavern’s failure.

Kiefer, on the other hand, seems to view his venue as a stepping stone, rather than a monetarily successful business venture.

“I think what’s happening is more of a product of the established venues not focusing on local music, and [the DIY network] just happened out of necessity,” he said.  “In six months to a year, these establishments will open their doors just for the sake of business, and it’s going to start flooding into major venues again.”

When asked whether he’d consider booking a group that consistently drew in a crowd at the thrift store, McMains [Red Star] said, “Absolutely. If I liked ‘em.”

And Chelsea’s Cafe might be reconsidering. The bar’s new booking manager, Gabe Daigle, is open to the idea of booking first timers.

“The venue has a pretty heavy focus on a lot of New Orleans music, and a lot of funk,” Daigle admitted. “I’m also trying to book some of the local rock and indie groups.

“As a promoter, the toughest job is exposing talent that may not have a built-in draw, but that’s actually what makes it more interesting,” he continued. “How are you going to know if it’s good when you don’t give it a shot?”

Varsity goes local

In the space of two weeks, big-name booking venue, the Varsity Theatre, has booked two all-local shows:

  • B.R.O.O.M. Local Music Showcase, February 17
  • Phantom Party Records Release Party, March 4

The Dwindling Venues

Former rock venues (asterisk denotes a venue that has closed):

  • Café Reggae*

  • The Caterie*

  • Northgate Tavern

  • The Darkroom*

  • Tupac’s Bungalow (house)*

Spaces that book original, regardless of genre or experience:

  • Here Today Gone Tomorrow Thrift Store

  • Your House

Comments

ME @ 02/02/2011 04:23 pm

Where did the Rock go??? Phantom Party Records??? Ahhhh! That's where it went.

Don Logan @ 02/02/2011 04:36 pm

Talk to any bands about this? I mean, c'mon, guys. I don't honestly think you guys know what you're talking about. Bars will always feel pain with local bands and draws, and I sympathize with this. But to ask where'd the rock go is a terrible question. It's right in front of you every weekend, you're just not looking hard enough. And you call yourself journalists? Stop asking questions and put an eye on the scene guys. The scene is what papers like you make it. Stop writing the same article about the lack of scene. There's a scene and it's brewing. Why not help promote it and write about the wealth of local bands?

Baton Rouge Rocks @ 02/02/2011 04:42 pm

Where'd the rock go? The rock is there right in front of you, if you'd actually get out from in front of your macbook and go to a show. This is one of the most ridiculous, uninformed articles i've ever read on the BR music scene. Not to mention the shear amount of mistakes in it. You should be ashamed of yourself!

Brad Jenkins @ 02/02/2011 05:38 pm

This article is simply a product of poor research. Phantom Party has some of the premiere bands in the area. The Givers just signed with Glassnote. Twin Killers are causing a huge stir, and are currently on tour if I remember correctly. Prom Date is a big name that just recently released another excellent album. Cohen just started a new band, though he also plays in a few other active groups. You should have mentioned how much of a pain in the ass it is to book shows in Baton Rouge. Dave of Chelsea's only recently hired someone else to help with booking -like last week... Before that, he was IMPOSSIBLE to get ahold of. The guy who does booking for Red Star is an actual booking agent who treated my band Gypsy Space Caravan very rudely and condescendingly when we inquired about playing a show there, even though we have a decent following in Baton Rouge. I know Aaron from the moon, and he's the only one that has really been available. However I wonder if booking there would be as...

Brad Jenkins @ 02/02/2011 05:39 pm

easy if I hadn't known him. Of course Northgate used to be the easiest venue to book as a new band, but NO ONE is willing to run the risk of having a poor turn out now. No one will take a chance with a new name. It's a paradox. No one books you unless you draw a crowd, but you can't draw a crowd because no one is booking you. How can you expect any band that's starting up to get anywhere in a scene like that? There's no way to build a rep if you can't make a reputation in the first place... because no one's booking you! The venues also expect you to do generally 100% of the promotions. They very rarely help with this other than putting your name on their wall and maybe their site. The scene is alive and well, but the most important part of Baton Rouge's scene is how helpful bands are to each other. It's good to see bands that are technically competing for venues yet actually helping each other out. More popular bands are helping new bands by booking shows together. There's a...

Brad Jenkins @ 02/02/2011 05:40 pm

constant flow of networking and very little feeling of competition. Not to mention that other places are starting to book live music, like Mellow Mushroom and Punchers downtown. The scene isn't dead. Your ability to write articles about the scene is.

Bill Harford @ 02/02/2011 06:45 pm

This "story" made me want to diarrhea in my pants. Ya blew it.

JMP50 @ 02/02/2011 07:11 pm

The title is alright, I don't see much of a problem with it. Phantom Party has done extremely well for themselves and their obscure genred bands. Congrats to them and their success. But as for straight ahead rock and roll, it's very tough to find. The "scene" in Baton Rouge right now is Phantom Party bands and their kind from NOLA and cover bands. God awful cover bands. Had the Caterie still been around this may have been a different story. The rock n roll in the Baton Rouge music scene has been swept under the rug it seems. Bars dont want to give new bands a shot at a show (for business reasons, this is totally understandable). BROOM is a novel idea, although poorly organized. Unless you play nickelback-esque trash, Clicks is off limits too. HTGT is the one exception. Jason is one of the coolest guys around and he will bend over backwards for any band. The venue itself though is largely underground and not fully established yet. There are straight rock n roll bands out there...

JMP50 @ 02/02/2011 07:12 pm

There are straight rock n roll bands out there that played or are still playing in Baton Rouge but were largely ignored by media outlets and bars. The problem is that they fall between the gaps of the indie bands from Phantom Party and their massive local successes and your typical subpar cover bands that seem to permeate the bars around campus. Here's the point: what bands will continue to help promote the real rock n roll scene here in Baton Rouge?

LukeSkytalker @ 02/02/2011 08:18 pm

What's sad is that the story sounds like it was written by someone that hasn't been to a single show in BR. At least in the last year. You are either part of the solution, or part of the problem. Why not write about the budding music scene that is happening right in front of our faces with phantom party and B.R.O.O.M? The article itself is very contradictory... first talks about how local bands can't play venues ect... then states how BROOM and Phantom Party have showcases lined up at the varsity theatre... So which is it?

LukeSkytalker @ 02/02/2011 08:18 pm

What's sad is that the story sounds like it was written by someone that hasn't been to a single show in BR. At least in the last year. You are either part of the solution, or part of the problem. Why not write about the budding music scene that is happening right in front of our faces with phantom party and B.R.O.O.M? The article itself is very contradictory... first talks about how local bands can't play venues ect... then states how BROOM and Phantom Party have showcases lined up at the varsity theatre... So which is it?

LukeSkytalker @ 02/02/2011 08:55 pm

What's sad is that the story sounds like it was written by someone that hasn't been to a single show in BR. At least in the last year. You are either part of the solution, or part of the problem. Why not write about the budding music scene that is happening right in front of our faces with phantom party and B.R.O.O.M? The article itself is very contradictory... first talks about how local bands can't play venues ect... then states how BROOM and Phantom Party have showcases lined up at the varsity theatre... So which is it?

Jeff @ 02/02/2011 09:04 pm

What do you constitute as "Straight" rock n roll? The bands who sound like they're covering a band who is covering Nickelback? This is poor research and poor journalism. The writer has stereotyped the baton rouge music scene as being only marketable to "indie/alternative" bands because of the stigma that goes along with the venues they play. Venues like the Spanish Moon, Red Star, and Chelsea's are thriving because they are booking legitimate, talented artists. These venues cater to not only local and national acts, but international acts as well. Moreover, the music isn't limited to the writer's idea of "alternative." They host a variety of music genres like hip hop, blues rock, folk rock, and electronic rock. Maybe these so called real rock n roll bands aren't getting stage time because the quality of the music is sub par and booking managers can recognize mediocrity. The Baton Rouge music scene is thriving more than it ever has. It's really disheartening to see...

Jeff @ 02/02/2011 09:06 pm

It's really disheartening to see the Dig write an article bashing the current music in Baton Rouge, when they could be glorifying the up and coming acts prospering in the city. I challenge the Dig to actually go out to a show before, before making illegitimate, bias accusations about our current music scene. Thanks.

Stereo Gumbo @ 02/02/2011 10:57 pm

This isn't all wrong. Some real problems are brought up. In the end, the self-fulfilling prophecy is being fulfilled through the writing. I'm not sure that was the writer's initial intention, but it's a lot easier to write criticism than optimism/showcasing the good. There is a scene here that's very much alive. Check it out: (http://stereogumbo.com/category/local/) Maybe it's not for you. And that's ok with me.

citizen @ 02/02/2011 11:49 pm

O M Fing G. THERES no "REAL" rock and roll ANYWHERE!!!!!! ROCK is dead!!!! it's so done!!! how many combinations of guitar bass drums and vocals can you people think of????? dress it up all you want and call it what you will but its still four monkeys with the same four instruments who havent thought of anything new in DECADES. what does it matter??? every new crop of kids comes thru here and is like "remember when it was like this in baton rouge?" "now it's like, not as cool" "but its about to get better" NOTHING CHANGES!!!! the sum of all scenes is no scene. and here, its mediocre people in mediocre bands playing mediocre places. Seriously, who here is TURNING HEADS???? who here is MAKING WAVES???? there's alot of bands around here that "tour" and come back, but who's following them back here? YOU WANNA GET BANDS IN VENUES AND PEOPLE AT SHOWS???? here's the answer: do something worth seeing. that simple. IF IT MATTERS ENOUGH, if it is POIGNANT enough, venues...

JMP50 @ 02/02/2011 11:53 pm

I would say straight up rock n roll would be bands in the same vein as AC/DC, Aerosmith, Led Zeppelin just to name a few. Besides, why does every band have to have some obscure genre these days? Why can't rock n roll just be rock n roll? I would agree the writer is mostly correct to suggest that this city's scene is only marketable to the "indie/alternative" crowd. Those types of acts seem to be the only ones garnering much attention lately. Don't get me wrong, I never said that these venues we're booking multitidues of artists from all genres. I'm not saying that every single rock band is worthy of stage time either. Hell, I've seen quite a few terrible ones and I'll be the first one to say when someone doesn't have talent. My point was that some of these rock bands that don't exactly fit the indie mold aren't getting stage time because they're being looked over by bars for monetary reasons or overshadowed by the indie scene in this city.

citizen @ 02/02/2011 11:57 pm

YOU WANNA GET BANDS IN VENUES AND PEOPLE AT SHOWS???? here's the answer: do something worth seeing. that simple. IF IT MATTERS ENOUGH, if it is POIGNANT enough, venues will take it, people will come see it. period. maybe the problem is people who think just because they went through the trouble of buying a piece of equipment and putting time aside to practice and driving themselves somewhere they are worthy of your money and admiration. so plan on paying first before you even have a chance to see the band. and if it isnt anything special, well they got your money already, so whats it matter.

citizen @ 02/02/2011 11:58 pm

we cant even figure out how to keep clean water, the basic need for life, around for much longer seriously what does it matter if Bilal Dottory doesnt give a shite or if Andy Gibbs doesnt do shows at his house because he has nice things or if Philip Zimmermeles band hasnt played a show in forever. see previous paragraph for answer to question "Where did the rock go?" and the band in the picture is not effing named Firing Squad, but you know us, if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, must be one, eh?

citizen @ 02/03/2011 12:07 am

@ JMP50--- because its BORING!!!! AC DC AND LED ZEPPELIN and the rest of "rock n roll" why cant it be rock n roll? what does that even mean??!?!?!? how many more times can we as a species handle listening to another SECOND of the SAME KIND OF TIRED OLD SONGS that have been played OVER AND OVER and OVER AGAIN!!!!!! the planet is in agony!!!! you think "indie/alternative/whatever you are alluding at" is any different? nope, same thing, dressed up nice cuz the rich kids have always had more money, but same thing. there's no difference!?!?! flying in from outer space, you think an alien would find a discernible difference between van halen and ac/dc and guns and roses and thou and baby boy and stellaphonics and your dads rock n roll band????? nope. same thing. same thing. same thing. same thing. same done thing.

Lizzie @ 02/03/2011 01:50 am

Wow, citizen, calm down. This is about music, not clean water and aliens. Although clean water is an issue, you are very right. Anyways, although this article seems badly researched (which, if you think bombarding the article with too many quotes covers up the lack of substantive research... it doesn't) it does bring up a few good points. I mean, the Caterie DID burn down, after all, and there are limited venues for local bands to showcase their talent. However, just because there aren't that many venues does not mean that there isn't a local scene. I can actually name poetry slams and readings for several nights of the week, and am surprised to say that a town like Baton Rouge has a sizable creative and musical community. And, even if it didn't, such a negative article does nothing to bolster the Baton Rouge music community to flourish; it simply reinforces to struggling local acts that it is hopeless to even try and contact a booking manager. I wished this article would've...

Lizzie @ 02/03/2011 01:51 am

I wished this article would've focused on emerging artists and the encouragement for more, as opposed to something as presumptuous as "Where'd the Rock Go?"

Dan Quailman @ 02/03/2011 02:16 am

Is this the Onion? lolz

Werdz @ 02/03/2011 11:51 am

Did y'all not see the nice article DIG wrote in last week's issue on Prom Date? There is your promoting of a local band. I'm sure they'll continue to do this. I believe they are just asking a question. There is an issue here....

Brad Jenkins @ 02/03/2011 02:22 pm

JMP50 - I don't think you've heard all of Phantom Party's bands if you think they're all just "indie/alternative." Some of them are pretty straight forward rock. No, not geezer rock or dude rock... but still pretty rocking. What about Twin Killers? They're one of the most rockin' bands I know of... Granted, it's progressive rock, but it's still a lot of rock. Monsters Will is predominately rock with some post-rock influence and occasional progressive parts. Human Like Me is a lot like At the Drive In, a pretty rocking group. He Bleeds Fireman is rock + blues. Gypsy Space Caravan plays fusion, but there is also still a lot of rock, progressive rock, and even some punk elements to it. And I would hardly call fusion "indie" or even an obscure genre. I feel like your claims have been somewhat unsubstantiated insofar as you don't seem to be fully aware of which bands are actually on the scene currently. Unless you're really, really just looking for bland, middle-of-the-road,...

brad Jenkins @ 02/03/2011 02:23 pm

run-of-the-mill "Shinedown"-style rock.

tenderfoot @ 02/03/2011 04:44 pm

I guess there's only one thing left to do...blow the f*cking roof off of Northgate this Saturday with GrisGris (local,original w/first-timers Kadabra opening) who will conjure the "dormant" spirits of Baton Rouge's music scene and unleash them in the faces of all the non-believers out there.

David S. Lewis, Editor @ 02/03/2011 05:33 pm

Hi everyone, Thanks for responding to the article! Werdz has the right idea. We are not saying there aren't many great bands out there in Baton Rouge...almost the opposite. There aren't as many places booking them. There is a history here that spans the last few years, and I don't think there's much arguing that it is a lot harder for an originalband to get booked now...we set out to find out why. Kudos to the Varsity, Broom, AND the Northgate Tavern...at time of press, and after several interviews, we printed that the Northgate wasn't going to have orignal music programming anymore...now Gris Gris will be playing on Saturday. That's great news. We think there are many great bands in town...we indeed published a story about Prom Date, and we plan to celebrate everyone in Baton Rouge who is playing music, making art, or being creative in any way at all. We also plan to sound the alarm if anything seems to be getting in the way of that -- even if it's the musicians...

JMP50 @ 02/03/2011 06:13 pm

Brad - Twin Killers and Monsters Will do have some cool stuff, I do admit that. I'm not trying to knock down anybody from Phantom Party, really. They've been doing a phenomenal job around here lately. It's just not exactly my cup of tea which is perfectly okay. As for insubstantiated claims, I do know what bands are around on the scene, trust me. Pushing Pandas have done a pretty decent job so far as far as rock goes. Barisal Guns were phenomenal but they aren't around anymore sadly. And I'm definitely NOT looking for a "Shinedown style" band haha

Funky Fingers @ 02/03/2011 06:38 pm

Indeed, GrisGris is playing this Saturday feb. 5 at NGT and we play in town a buch (atleast once a month) along with Stage Coach Bandits, Captain Green, The Broken Rubber Band, Gypsy Space Caravan, Pushing Pandas,Onion Loaf, and many more local acts that get booked in BR and the surrounding areas. GOOD WORK MUSICIANS!!!! and yes.. i think its fair to investigate the music scene if someone feels its not what it used to be. gotta keep it open.

citizen @ 02/03/2011 07:40 pm

EDITOR__ it seems errybody here thinks the musical history in the area begins when they arrive for college or whatever. no it did not begin just a few years ago. there was a time in baton rouge when mostly original acts were booked, bands like REM were playing places like the Bayou or Library Joe's or even (gasp) the VARSITY, selling their records or CDs at Paradise Records, playing shows in the Amphitheatre, college rock bands like cowboy mouth and better than ezra were getting this budding scene national attention, causing more quality bands to come in, giving the next wave of talent their go, quality original bands like Placebot, Liquidrone, Deadboy and the Elephantmen, Bones, Sparkly V, The Myrtles, Irie Spirits, hardcore acts like Morphine, Catholicon, Goatwhore were playing bars as well ( i guess clubs then "took more risks")...

citizen @ 02/03/2011 07:53 pm

... and it seems to always come and go in waves, true, but, well but nothing. its no harder now for a TRULY original act to get a good show than it was when any of these other bands were playing. I mean, ive been to a 4MagNitrous (DOESNT GET ANY MORE ROCK AND ROLL THAN THAT)show at the apparently elusive SPANISH MOON where they brought an f-ing harley in the place and burned rubber during the set. Not the coolest thing granted, but a far cry from the SAFE acts i see there when i go now. i rest my case. where did the rock go? for some reason, we dont retain the quality here. its a creative brain drain. i dont feel simply being a GOOD band does it for people watching. You can be the best damn anything but if it is not FRESH and ORIGINAL, it wont resonate with anybody.

John Doe @ 02/04/2011 01:14 pm

"There aren't as many places booking them." Cry me a river! let's have a run down of venues in town shall we? north gate: Will book just about ANYONE right now that can pull a crowd. All the shows are inside now as well with no smoking. varsity: if you can't bring a crowd, sorry, you ain't getting booked. BROOM and Phantom Party both have showcases here in February and March. Instead of complaining about stuff, these two groups have worked their tails off in the local music scene to be part of the solution, and not part of the problem, like so many of those that whine about not being booked. Maybe those that aren't being booked aren't that good and don't have a draw? oh wait, we can't hurt peoples feelings anymore. sorry! spanish moon: 2-3 DJ nights a week with random touring bands coming through. The spanish moon doesn't care about the local bands and gives them little to no pub or promo... but that's ok I guess since it's the highly sought after venue in town. But...

John Doe @ 02/04/2011 01:15 pm

if you don't fit the requirements of aaron, you aren't getting booked there. The moon runs a tight ship, and they want things how they want them. A lot of bands WON'T get booked here. Just the way it is and the way it will be. mellow mushroom: books jam bands and winbourne. accessible music for the general public. don't expect twin killers to be playing here anytime soon, and they are fine with that. chelseas: everyone knows what chelseas books. pretty music everything. and with newly appointed booking guy there to take the pressure off dave, it's going to start kicking it up a big notch. look for some big shows from chelseas soon. manship theatre/hartley vey studio: pushing pandas ( a new local band ) just opened up for black joe lewis and the honeybears last month. You know why? They don't suck and they bring a crowd. redstar: going to book who they like. if you don't fit in with the "indie" vibe, sorry. So to all bands whining about not being able to get booked,...

John Doe @ 02/04/2011 01:16 pm

either A.) work harder with your sound B.) Develop your fanbase more C.) network better with other bands and venues This article is the same tired trash that gets published almost yearly it seems like by one of the local rags. Wah wah wah, woe is me, whered the rock go OMG?? Like I said earlier, you're either the problem or the solution. Grow a pair and find out which side you want to be on.

David G @ 02/04/2011 11:32 pm

I snagged a copy of your paper just for the title. I know it is written for a much younger reader. I am 43. As I kid I can remember my brother going to see Potliqure, and other bands. David Tetlow talks about Led Zeppelin and meeting Jimmy Hindrix and Eric Clapton. I can remember songs that paid tribute to "Baton Rouge" from acts such as Huey Lewis and George Thorogood. I remember places downtown and at LSU to include the Assembly Center packing bands in. I can remember REO at the State Fair, etc, I remember concerts out on the Amite with Lillian Axe, Razor White, Zamen Blaze, etc. I remember Journey, ACDC, Van Halen in the 80s at the Centroplex. I remember a sold out Ozzy Osborne concert being canceled because a local reverend opposed the show. The dying rock scene is nothing new. Yes, we have a lot of new bands that come through and need recognition. I have seen a few at the Varsity, Texas Club, Chelseas, and the Manship Center. The leaders of Baton Rouge do not...

Ted Morgan @ 02/06/2011 04:01 am

People who want to do music, do it. Those who want to hear it, heat it. This article reminds me of a good friend who bought a house on the same block as Tipitina’s and then complained about “the noise.” She bought the house in part to be near the famous bar. That famous bar now streams performances. Baton Rouge has been a great place for popular music for sixty years or longer. We have not always been able to pay well for our music, but we do have it.New media have changed the game. You can access the best musicians in the world now, Being number 400 in the world of opera or rock is harder now, but you can still get your music before people and we can hear you. Mr. 43-year-old, I am 68, that is almost 70. Still love the music. By the way, I did not listen to rock until I was 27 and with that Cajun LSU co-ed how taught me how to do that.

Ted Morgan @ 02/06/2011 04:02 am

I guess we do heat it as well as hear it!

Randall Head (BROOM) @ 02/06/2011 04:10 pm

Lots of good points on here, thanks to those who appreciate what myself and BROOM (Baton Rouge Organization of Original Musicians) are trying to do. You could call us unorganized, but we get a lot more done than most. Granted we are all college students focusing on school/work and individual bands! However, BROOM is still getting started; we began our crusade in late september 2010 and had our first show on october 29th. Our christmas show at the varsity got pushed back to a back to school date, and is now finalized for February 17th. Being a full local show, we didn't get much priority on the booking situation, but we have been persistent and have been working since november on getting the date. If anyone wants to help us out, check us out on facebook at http://www.facebook.com/BROOM225 and get into contact with me. We are having a musicians' meeting THIS wednesday, the 9th at 5pm so feel free to stop by. Don't complain about the problem; be a part of the solution

Brad Jenkins @ 02/07/2011 02:45 pm

JMP50 - Perhaps I misspoke then. I apologize for the assumption. citizen - I think it's in fact *harder* for a "truly original" act to book a show because no one knows how they'll do. Twin Killers and Givers draw great crowds, but I'd hardly call either of them "truly original," compared to the Mars Volta or any indie/pop dance band on earth, respectively. I'm not calling either of them unoriginal, but both bands come from genres that are in a rising trend. They're both great bands that just happen to be part of popular, growing genres right now. It wouldn't be a stretch to say that they could even be at the head of these trends. If the Beatles were just getting started today, do you think they'd do half as well as the 60's/70's? "Truly original" is more risky. It's not as tried-and-true or as popular, trendy genres/bands. And since when is "straight forward rock" as mentioned before ever "truly original?" John Doe - "So to all bands whining about not being able to get...

Brad Jenkins @ 02/07/2011 02:46 pm

booked, either A.) work harder with your sound B.) Develop your fanbase more C.) network better with other bands and venues." I don't know if you've ever been to one of our shows, but our sound is not the problem. We draw a great crowd, and we've had extensive correspondence with both local groups and venues. We've had great write-ups, and we're with the Phantom Party group. Usually we headline shows, but in any shows that we don't headline recently, we often have a bigger crowd than the headlining act. The venues are quick to notice this on the night of the show, but seem to forget immediately when you try to book another show there. Are you a booking agent or artist manager? Because we've definitely not had an easy time booking shows, even now. Many of our emails/calls to venues go unnoticed or ignored. Where can we draw the line between "hungry" and "harassing?"

Ted Morgan @ 02/07/2011 08:15 pm

During the past 40 years, I have enjoyed some terrific concerts in Baton Rouge. Still, the worst concert I ever attended was a Gatefull Dead Concert here some many years ago. I do not recall the decade. The police filled the arena at LSU with narcs and others. Just ruined the concert.

Ted Morgan @ 02/07/2011 08:37 pm

I recall a Ravi Shankar, a young Better-Than-Ezra, an old R.E.M., and a single Leon Russell concert. I recall a performance of the Bach “St. Matthew Passion” at First Baptist Church, a performance of “Cosi fan tutte” at the LSU Opera, many blues performances at Tabby Thomas’s old place, a powerful performance of the Mahler Third by the Baton Rouge Symphony and a children’s chorus from Livingston Parish and a recital with symphony of Mahler leider. Hearing music in Baton Rouge is a boon. We have Rock and we have everything else.

Ted Morgan @ 02/07/2011 08:39 pm

Baton Rouge music changes all the time. We do not stay the same. We have it all.

JJ Awesome @ 02/12/2011 07:13 pm

like it or not, operating a venue is about money. we live in a capitalist society. venues are in business to make money ... period. no matter how cool or how good you think your band is makes secondary difference. the bottom line is -- HOW MANY PEOPLE YOU CAN BRING!

Barrett Black @ 02/15/2011 01:28 pm

Regarding local musicians, folks like Denton Hatcher, Jacob Zachary, Luke Ash, Erin Miley, Peter Simon, Jacob Mulkey, etc. were not mentioned but are incredibly talented and regularly play shows in town. Regarding local venues, Haven Gallery & Listening Room (651 Laurel Street - downtown) hosts a number of local shows for artists as such and touring acts.

Frank @ 02/18/2011 12:51 am

I am just reading through all of these comments and people do make some good points. I was interviewed for the piece. I own and book Red Star. Let me apologize to the guy from Gypsy Space Caravan. But I wasn't rude to him. I have an email record of one request to book a show, which I never responded to. This was an error, things slip through the cracks and I am sorry for that, but I hardly think it rises to the level of condescending. We have always tried to provide a place where local, original musicians can perform but that has to be balanced with the tastes of the crowd. And frankly with my own tastes. I prefer some genres of music over others, this is not a reflection on the bands themselves but just a recognition that I tend to book what I like and what I think can get people through the door. After all, a bar is a business like any other and our main job is to stay open. There is an unfortunate catch-22 wherein unproven bands have a a hard time getting stage time, but I am unsure of how to solve that. Open mike night don't really seem to be a good alliterative.

Frank @ 02/18/2011 12:54 am

And I should also say that I thought the interviewer was very professional and interested in doing her home work. I realize that these are sensitive issues but I think she did her best to cover a complex issue and certainly demonstrated a pretty broad knowledge of Baton Rouge bands going back 10 years or so. Music is a tough business. I think we can all agree on that.

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